Tuesday, 11 September 2012

What are Anti-Atheists+ afraid of?




I do not know what the hullabaloo is about Atheism+, why all the hate and tantrums? I understand that people fear change, people with power fear anything that would or could threaten their power base, and because atheists are people, they are not exempted from this fear of change.

People who enjoy power hardly want their privileged positions questioned. They fight the change makers, they cast aspersion on the oppositions’ characters, they fight tooth and nail to discredit the change and this is mostly what the fight against Atheism+ is all about. The sad thing is, many of those fighting the Atheism+ concept would hardly agree that they fight because they are afraid of change, nope; they would hide under so many notions to justify their stance against atheism+.

People love to have power over others; the insignificant minorities are always the victims. Many so called progressives still use their residual patriarchal power, sometimes unconsciously, to lord it over others and they loathe it when they are confronted with this fact.

Why am I in support of Atheism+? I am a black African woman who also identify as atheist, bisexual, feminist, socialist and humanist.  Sometimes I join groups that promote all my identities or at least acknowledge some of the things I identify as and with. For example, I identify with Black feminists groups, African labour groups, Labor women organizations, LGBT Atheists, African bisexuals, Black Atheists groups, Working class Atheists, Secular humanists and female workers groups. When attached to my birth identity, these self identity tags afford me the opportunity to understand at a glance, the demography of the groups.

 I am conscious that not every organization that I identify with shares my values or identities, however when joining or identifying with a group, I consider it important that I network with groups and persons who do not only share a birth or self identity with me but also share  core values.   

While I might not think it is important to bring up my socialist notions in a black bisexual group or an African atheist group, I would definitely think it is important that whenever a discrimination is made in a group I identify with, it would be my duty and responsibility to point this out and if the group failed to change, those of us with same values can organize to change the group or form a better one. And yes, any group can be improved upon including Atheist groups. It is not about changing the meaning of Atheism, it is about using my Atheist identity to promote rational values.

 For example, I identify as a member of many Nigerian progressive groups and some of these groups are unfortunately not in support of sexual minority rights. The homophobia, biphobia and transphobia in Nigerian and African human rights communities would not stop me from identifying as a Nigerian or African human right activist, but it sure could stop me from identifying with a group that is continuously homophobic, it could also cause me to organise a revolution within the group to force it to acknowledge its defects and yes, also mobilize a subgroup to signal that we stand for much more than the default group.

 I have identified as a freethinker and atheist for more than a decade and it is only natural that I seek out people who also identify as same. Of course, I am also eager to find people who not only share birth identities with me but who also share self identities with me. I would eagerly join an African Atheist group, a black women’s group, a women atheist group, LGBT atheist group, Nigerian atheists/ freethinkers groups, Nigerian LGBT groups and LGBT Nigerian Atheist groups.  It is only natural that I try to bond along and across boundaries, however , experience have shown that while we might share birth identity and a few self identities, our self identities and values are not always all the same.

For example, I eagerly joined an African Atheists group on facebook and was happy to network with other Africans who share my disbelief in theism and are also ready to speak out about the reasons for their disbelief. In the process of networking, other issues common to our shared human race came up, especially in the mode of communication; language.  Some of the group members’ posts were homophobic, racist and demeaning to women and of course when there are conscious feminists, lgbt advocates and humanists in the group, there is a sense of duty to call out such posts and comments and explain to the group at large why such language should not be encouraged.

However, as my experience in some Atheists groups have shown, most people, no matter how rational they claim to be, do not like to be called out . The African atheist group I joined on facebook was very homophobic and racist. There were posts and comments deriding mixed blood members as not African enough and slur words like ‘mulattos’ were often used. When I made a post on the group page about the role of religion in the persecution of sexual minorities in Africa, the homophobes, who happened to be in the majority in the group, let out the most horrible homophobic rants I ever encountered in a self identified rationalist group! Of course when the admin failed to bring the situation under control through tacit silence, I left the group, so did a few others.

 My experience with the Nigerian Atheist group was worse, bigotry, sexism, and irrationality was the order of the day in the group. It got so bad that female members were threatened with rape and told that dicks would be rammed down their mothers’ throats. A gay group member who live in the sharia part of Nigeria had his home address posted online therefore seriously endangering his life since he could be killed not just for his sexual orientation but also for being an Atheist.  All these irrational actions came from dear Atheists who love bashing religious believers for their lack of rationality.  Would it be any wonder if I decided not to hang out online or wherever with such people under whatever label they come under?
Should I stop identifying as an African or Nigerian atheist because some members of a group with the name is homophobic, sexist and racist?  Nope, I could very well organize  another group named African Atheist+ and/or Nigerian Atheists, with the + tag signifying that this is an Atheist group of Africans / Nigerians whom along with their non belief in theism also share some rational  values like equality for all, are anti- racism, pro-sexual minorities , gender positive and non-abliest. 

Having a clear tag would aid my decision on which group to join and network with. It would save precious time I use online arguing with bigoted, racist homophobic atheists on why they have no rational reason to be racist, homophobic or a chauvinist. It would save me and many others the agony of joining atheists groups that do not care that some of their members are being subjected to degrading attitudes from other group members.

Atheism+ appeals to me because it promises a place to hang out with atheists, who just like me, believe that bigotry, racism or homophobia is irrational and are willing to critically examine social justice issues alongside our non belief in the existence of God.  We want to network, talk about our atheism, social justice issues or just hang out in an environment free of isms schisms.  Is it really that difficult to understand?

Some of the antagonist of atheists+ have asked, “We already have secular humanism, why Atheist+? Well, I could also ask, “Why LGBT humanists, African Humanists, Socialist humanists, Secular humanists, Female humanists or Nigerian Humanists? Is Atheism+ Label confusing? Why so many tags?

Well, it is because people can self identify and are free to self identify and create tags just same way people are free to create gods. So far they are not forcing their tags down other peoples’ throats and touting their tags as the only real thing or the truth, it is OK to self identify.  

Why should I be required to identify as a secular humanist or be confined to secular humanist groups because I am an atheist who actively advocate for human rights? I should have the right to identify as a secular humanist and /or as an Atheist+, it is about choice. Secular Humanists have chosen not to prominently use the word Atheist, it is their choice. I am a member of a few secular humanists groups, it is my choice. I have chosen to use my Atheist tag to identify with the social justice causes I care about, it is my prerogative. 

 Why can’t I use my self identified atheist tag to also represent other things I stand for? Is the Atheist tag restricted? If yes, who made the restriction? When did we agree it should be restricted? Why is it OK to have Black Atheist, Eastern Atheist, American Atheist, LGBT Atheist but not OK to have Atheist+? Why and how is it  OK to have Secular humanism, another tag over humanism but not OK to have Atheist+ or humanist atheists?  

 I think those fighting the Atheist+ tag should examine their real motive to understand what they are scared of.  Are they scared that Atheism would be overrun by feminists, human rights activists,  Atheists women demanding not to be called sluts in atheists groups, Africans demanding not to be given the second class treatment in international  Atheist groups, atheists living with disabilities demanding not to be ignored in an atheist gathering  or young atheists demanding that their voice be heard? What exactly are the anti-Atheist+ afraid of?
I care about social justice issues , my activist cap is not one I wear  when I feel like it, it is an integral part of me, it is me. Even though I care so much about social justice issues, I do appreciate that going on and on about the abuse of social justice through language use in an atheist group, might just tick off some atheists. Yes, I understand that some atheists just wanna bash baby Jesus and have fun without caring about sexism, bigotry, racism or homophobia in their language used, I dampen the fun of those atheists by pointing out their parochial attitudes. I was actually told in a Nigerian atheist forum that I should go form a women atheist group and leave the group so that they can have their misogynist fun without any guilt.

I do not apologize for my social justice consciousness and cannot make excuses for anyone who wants to hide under whatever label, including an atheist label to spew parochial views. I do not even want to hang out with such persons, irrespective of our shared disbelief in God, It does not mean I am leaving the label Atheism for you, it only means I am also seeking cooler friends to hang out with, friends who happen to share same social justice consciousness with me, not too difficult to understand, is it?

I am not a Feminist with a BUT and I am certainly not an Atheist with a BUT, I am simply an Atheist with a PLUS and for me, the plus is the icing on the cake. Some like icing, some don’t, whatever float your boat. If you still do not understand why I want my Atheism to be with a plus, well it is not my problem, it is your problem, hope you get it solved soon. I am responsible for what I say, not what you understand. Cheers!

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Monday, 20 August 2012

CHILD ABUSE IS NOT DISCIPLINE OR AFRICAN, IT IS SIMPLY CRUELTY TO CHILDREN!


  • Couple beat their children with brooms, hoovers and wires, claiming they were possessed by evil spirits
  • They gave their baby morphine overdose after her first birthday
  • 'I am beaten without mercy', said an SOS note written by one of the children
  • Parents alleged Miss Collins wanted to 'steal' their children
  • 'We are innocent, this is a miscarriage of justice', screamed the couple as they left court...
Yes, it hurts me personally and in every humane way possible when children undergoing abuse are not believed when they finally find the courage to speak out. It also hurts me to no end that in the part of the continent I come from, people define 'child abuse' in a different way and conveniently brush it aside by calling it discipline! 

 It is indeed sad that some Nigerians consider this case as 'culture clash' and even racial discrimination!

To many Nigerians, it is considered normal for pastors to accuse children of witchcraft and slap them in churches, it is considered OK  for prophets to take children to beach sides and beat them mercilessly while their parents shout hallelujah, all under the ‘acceptable disguise’ of casting out evil spirits from the children.  No, these are not rare occurrences, as i wrote in a previous post, these things happen almost every minute of the day, just visit Lagos Bar Beach! 


Parents beat their children with brooms, cut them with sharp objects and inflict all sorts of injuries on their children and wards, all in the name of discipline and these are normally the same parents who steal in their workplaces and brag about their 419 activities in front of their children.

In public schools,  teachers think it is OK to beat children in their care, the bigger the cane/rod, the more feared the teacher, unfortunately many teachers and even parents in Nigeria do not appreciate that there is a difference between fear and respect. BTW, I attended a public school in Nigeria, so I know what I am talking about... and yes, cos of that experience I never allowed my child to go to a public school, even if it meant working myself to death to afford private schools where I can very well tell the teachers, “lay a finger on my child, I’ll get my child out of the school and we will meet in court!”.

No, abuse is not the same as discipline, transferred aggression is all too common in our society, teachers and parents are not exempted and adults in authority tend to abuse the privilege since it is considered rude for a child to talk back or contradict an adult.

 In the case of this couple, I would ask, were there injury marks on the bodies of the children? The article said there were, to quote the article-

“Revealing scars the eldest said her mother had hit her with a cable, a broom, and a hoover and her father had dangled her by her feet down the stairwell of the house, tied her hands behind her back and her legs together 'to get the devilish spirits out', prosecutor Emma Smith said.

Her sister, who was seven at the time, had a stick shaped bruise of her thigh and after a few months in care, she drew a series of pictures showing her dad beating her and her being left home alone and including a speech bubble saying ‘I’m hungry”. 
 These are PHYSICAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL indications of child abuse.

Should the geographical location, race or skin colour of children determine whether the children have been abused? No, every child matters! If such abuses would never be tolerated from white parents, why should it be tolerated because the parents of the children concerned are black? 
 
  When we look beyond skin colour and race issues and look at every PERSON, first and foremost, as a HUMAN BEING with rights, respect and dignity, then we will understand that we ought to stand up for the vulnerable, without asking the question.. “What is their race?”

My heart goes out this minute to every child undergoing child abuse and too scared to speak out and to those children who have spoken out but are being told to shut up by adults around them.
                                                                                                                                                                         
NO, CHILD ABUSE IS NOT AFRICAN; IT IS SIMPLY CRUELTY TO CHILDREN!


Friday, 17 August 2012

RESPECT MY ATHEISM; DO NOT SEND ME BIRTHDAY GREETINGS IN THE NAME OF YOUR SKY DADDY!


I just completed another full year circle, Facebook as usual, notified my FB friends, not a bad thing , but on my facebook page, there is a very bold info that states that I AM AN ATHEIST, btw, if you are on my Facebook page as a friend or subscriber and you do not know that I am PROUDLY BISEXUAL, PROUDLY FEMINIST AND PROUDLY ATHEIST, wtf are you doing on my page?

Anyway, why do people feel the need to send me birthday greetings and PRAYERS in the name of their God, even when they know I do not share their belief in a Sky daddy? This is simply RUDE!


Now, imagine you are a religious person, let’s say a Christian, and  you have it on your facebook info and other social networks that you are a CHRISTIAN and you also regularly make posts on your wall about how Jesus is your ONLY LORD and SAVIOUR,  how every other god is fake because your scriptures says all other ‘Gods’ are  deaf, dumb , blind and you should not worship these carved idol images and then your birthday comes up,  and some 'well meaning' friends posts the message below on your  facebook wall:-

“Happy birthday dear friend, Sango shall strengthen you,  Ogun will protect you and your family,  Oya shall bless you, Osun will nurture your children , enjoy your special day in the name of Amadioha.”

Would you feel angry and /or disrespected? Would you just smile and say thanks or would you scream “Hey, do not bring your idolatry onto my page and certainly not into my life, fuck off idol worshiper!”
Well, that is exactly what I actually would love to say to those who, knowing that I am an atheist, still insist on sending me birthday prayers in the name of  Jesus, Allah, Mohammed or whatever God(s) they worship, instead I said "Thanks" and decided to write this blog post, with the hope that this won't happen again!

Yes, your prayers are meaningless to me, but when you insist on praying for me, YOU DISRESPECT ME. You just confirm that you are a religious bigot who wants to force your beliefs and unsolicited prayers down my throat. The fact is, such people simply confirm just how bad religion is and how it could turn a perfectly nice person into a thoughtless Zombie! You might be a well meaning person, but forcing your beliefs and prayers on me is rude and certainly not well meaning!

Society always advocate tolerance of religion and culture, as long as you are not tolerating anything that harms another, respect and tolerance is the key word. BTW, if you hold funny beliefs, do not expect people not to laugh at your belief, this is not intolerance or disrespect, funny things including funny beliefs automatically generate laughter!

Now, listen to me, I am an Atheist, I am a human being with rights to Freedom FROM Religion, I deserve to have my Atheism respected by everyone including the pope!

If you invited a Muslim for dinner, it would be unethical to offer pork and alcohol for dinner, it would be considered religious and cultural disrespect to extend a handshake to a Muslim woman or an Orthodox  Jew of the opposite sex, it would be bad ethics to wear your shoes into the house of a Hindu, it would be considered disrespectful if you entered a church and started pouring libation to your ancestral gods, now is it so difficult to understand that IT IS RUDE TO SEND AN ATHEIST A  BIRTHDAY PRAYER?  Or do you think that Atheists do not deserve to have their non belief respected?

As an Atheist, there are many things I am already angry about, with justified reasons too,  what with religious people insisting on teaching the Creationist story of Adam, Eve and the talking snake as fact in PUBLIC SCHOOLS, religious fanatics wanting to stone gays and women who commit adultery to death because their precious holy books say so, religious zealots influencing laws and state policies to fit with their religious beliefs…gawd, I got so many bullshits to put up with from religion and its shitty practitioners that I certainly do not need someone adding “forcibly praying for me”, to the unending lists of STUPID THINGS RELIGIOUS PEOPLE DO TO ME!”.

So here is my birthday wish and a lesson in ethics:
- Do not send me a birthday prayer in the name of whatever god or deity you believe in
- Do not send me prayer greetings
- Do not offer to pray for me
-Do not tell me what your God(s) have in store for me
-Do not send me a bible or any other religious books as presents
However, for a birthday present, you can deposit a huge sum of money into a Swiss bank account IN MY NAME, send the code to me and tell me GOD DID IT… I promise not to be angry!  

Sunday, 1 July 2012

ANALYSIS OF COMMENTS MADE BY TWO FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE GROUP 'NIGERIAN ATHEISTS' .


My short stint with the Nigerian Atheists group exposed me and many others to bigotry, sexism, homophobia and a blatant disregard for facts in the group.  It really was an eye opening experience that brought to fore the characters of its founders and the real intention behind floating the group. It is indeed a pity because they give Atheists a bad name and has unfortunately contributed to the stereotype of Nigerians as yahoo scammers. I believe such experience should be documented for present and future purposes and HERE is a link to my write up on the experience

Below are my analyses of the comments made  by two of the Nigerian Atheists group main founders, Hotem Dajenid and Gamba Joel Sl, on the Nigerian Atheists group Facebook page , following my objection to the minutes of the first ever Nigerian Atheists group meeting, where I was blatantly misquoted and misrepresented. 

The analyses of their comments was posted as a document and comments on the group page , not surprisingly and very unethically, the document along with my OBJECTION TO THE MINUTES document and my comments were deleted by Hotem Dajenid and Kunle Ogunyemi, who are both founders and Admin members of  the Nigerian Atheists Facebook group page. The group has also been made a closed group, hmm .. now closeted atheists or just hiding their bigoted, sexist , homophobic group from the prying eyes of the public?  They form a backdrop of interesting characters for a good storyline worth reading about HERE!

Hotem Dajenid WROTE- 
 “This will be settled soon, and since the public's memory is short, this won't be remembered six months from now. A few of us most affected will always remember, but atheists of Nigeria will continue to progress.”

My Analysis -
This comment speaks volume! 

- “This will be settled soon”?  Really?

How? By bullying and sweeping the issue under the carpet?

- “and since the public's memory is short, this won't be remembered six months from now.”

So you are relying on the public forgetting about your misdeeds, bigotry, sexism, homophobic comments, lack of values etc in roughly about six months? Hmm… this really is an insult to the general public.

It also shows that you really have no idea how the internet works. Haven’t you learned from the downfall of your friend, Gamba Joel, who was having a jolly good time plagiarizing bloggers works on the internet and passing it off as his own words until it all came back to bite him in the ass, when a more enlightened, conscientious woman exposed him for the fraud he truly is? (All credits to Abbie Mimiko for that great GAMBAGATE Expose!)

Hotem Dajenid, unlike the public, the internet does not have a short memory!

When you engage online and post stuff on the internet, you are stuck with it for the long term, it’s no short term relationship boy, you are in it for the long haul! Gear up because all your words, actions, bigotry, lies, and deceits are forever documented online.

Yes, from time to time, I will joggle the public memory about how deceitful you lots are. All I need to do is Google the name “Nigerian Atheists” and drop some factual evidence of this damning episode and let whoever or whichever group is talking about Nigerian Atheists have the links to full gist of unfolding events here and let the true colours of the people behind this Nigerian Atheists façade shine through!

Oh boy, you people have got some free publicity coming. I mean, Kunle Ogunyemi had to beg his American FB friend contact to publish the minutes of the Nigerian Atheist meeting and promote the group on American sites, well, you want publicity, now you got it coming daily on Google! This promises to be fun!


 HOTEM DAJENID WROTE-  
“Also, just because someone screams that he or she was misrepresented and misquoted, doesn't make it so.”

My Analysis- 
 It may not make it so, but you forgot the important part that when in doubt, go the fair way.

- Why attribute a quote to someone and publish it when you are in doubt about whether the person actually said it?

- Why make such categorical statements when you were not even at the meeting?

- Considering that you voluntarily blocked this person you are talking about even before this fiasco, what proof is there that you are not already biased?

- What really is your interest in Nigerian Atheists group since you are an Ugandan and resides in Uganda?

- Why not concentrate your dubious efforts in building an Ugandan Atheists group or is it that Ugandans are not as gullible as Nigerians or your dubious reputation is already known in Uganda and would be a hindrance to you getting some hard dollar bills from international Atheists community?

Hotem Dajenid WROTE-

 "If it were up to me, she would simply be expelled from Nigerian Atheists."

My Analysis-
Hmm Hotem Dajenid, the Ugandan, who resides in Uganda, says “If it were up to me, she would simply be expelled from Nigerian Atheists”.

- Another bigoted African using the dictator’s language, talking without thinking! How unfortunate, these people give Africa a bad image!

- Also imagine if this was coming from a white person, wouldn’t it be seen as neo-colonialism and patronizing attitude? Hmm, I guess sometimes, having a black skin has its privileges, e.g. you could get to be a patriarchal, chauvinistic, bigoted, sexist asshole and no one raises an eyebrow!

Hotem Dajenid WROTE-  

“Yes. Yes. Well said Gamba. Kunle, from what I understand, simply wrote what everyone witnessed, which exposed her negative attitude. She's pissed because she wants the record twisted to reflect the idea that she's sweet, positive and promotes good working relationships with everyone.”

My Analysis

Obviously this caveman has no idea what ideals Yemis Ilesanmi stands for! Yemisi Ilesanmi is widely known for not playing sweet or fakery. Truth, critical thinking and logical analysis are all more important to Yemisi Ilesanmi than trying “to reflect the idea that she's sweet, positive and promotes good working relationships with everyone.”

If only people would do their homework!

Hotem Dajenid WROTE- 

“In response to Gamba, Yemisi doesn't have a case. She has no witnesses to back up her claim”

My Analysis-

- Oh Hotem, what is more important to you.. the truth or availability of witnesses?

- You just unwittingly show once again, what an unprincipled and unscrupulous person you are!

- BTW, Yemisi Ilesanmi does not need witness to back her up, it was a meeting of a minority group, and she has a right not to be publicly quoted in the minutes of the meeting. You are really daft, aren’t you?

Hotem Dajenim WROTE -

“My advice is that Yemisi simply be expelled from Nigerian Atheists. She's not the only fish in the sea”

My Analysis-

- Now they are fishermen, fishing in the sea? How so Apostle Paul like… Hmm Apostle Hotem, Apostle Gambo and Apostle Kunle fishing in the sea for bigger fishes for Atheism all to attract funders in hard currencies. Gawd! Small brains!

Hotem Dajenim WROTE-

 “Excluding Yemisi, Nigerian Atheists has a core of compatible gentlemen. Yemisi was a good experience for all of us--makes us aware of our vulnerabilities and makes us very cautious as to whom we invite to serve on our board. A period of a year's observation is in order before we build the board from what it is now. “

My Analysis-

- “Excluding Yemisi, Nigerian Atheists has a core of compatible gentlemen” lol!

- Hmmm.. Obviously Yemisi Ilesanmi was a real test for the “gentlemen”.

- Nigerian atheists group wants “gentlemen” not assertive ladies… why not just put a notice on the group page ... ‘No assertive ladies welcomed, Women must be submissive because they evolved from the ribs of atheists gentle men!” Lol!

- These guys can’t even see all that poisonous residue of religion in their own words and actions… pathetic!

Hotem Dajenid WROTE-

 “If Yemisi wants to start her own organisation, perhaps named: Nigerian Women Atheists, that would go a long way to keep women involved--and to see how Yemisi gets along with her sisters.”

My Analysis-

- Yeah, the ‘gentlemen’ obviously feel challenged by an intelligent, assertive woman, they want the women to run along and go form a woman’s organization.

- The gentlemen have no balls to match the brains of the women.. so they find a way to kick them out!

Hotem Dajenid WROTE-  

“Again, well said! And at a time before NGA accumulated assets.”

My Analysis- 

- Hmm so finally Hotem Dajenid unwittingly let out his real motive behind Nigerian Atheists group… Accumulation of assets under the name Nigerian Atheists group.

- How deceptive! Pray, how is this different from Bishop David Oyedepo and all the other jet set pastors fleecing poor congregation members of monies while they jet off all over the world in their private jets?

- Hotem Dajenid and Kunle Ogunyemi publicly condemn religious leaders’ exploitation of religious believers while they themselves plot how they are going to accumulate assets using the Nigerian Atheists as a cover front?

- Any wonder that Kunle Ogunyemi begged his American FB friend to help promote “his “ organization on American blogs? How pathetic!

Hotem Dajenid WROTE-  

“We have witnessed her outrageous temperament on this page. Even if we arrive at a point where everyone kisses and makes up, I fear for the future when, again, Yemisi perceives an injustice done against her. In the future, Nigerian Atheists may have property and funds at stake, when her tornado of rage will be a serious threat to a more advanced NGA.”

My Analysis-

- Once again these give away words… “Nigerian Atheists may have property and funds at stake”,

- So it is really about accumulating property and funds using the name 'Nigerian Atheists', how enlightening! 



Now to analyze Gamba Joel’s comments.. Remember Gamba is also known as GAMBAGATE following the exposure on his plagiarizing 99% of comments and posts he ever made on the Nigerian Atheists group page! So here comes my analysis of Gamba the GAMBAGATE comments!


Gamba Joel Sb WROTE-

“She'd been expelled. In fact, she had never accepted a membership right from the begining.”

My Analysis-

We all know now that Gamba Joel can hardly string together a logical, original thought but even I keep getting surprised at the level of this incompetence of his.

He said, “She'd been expelled” Really? Expelled by whom, when and how?

 Is thinking really that difficult for this guy who actually claims he wants to spread logic and critical reasoning to other people? Looks like he needs a large dose of brain activation!

His statement itself is a SELF EVIDENT LIE AS WELL AS VERY CHILDISH.

What rational adults say a thing like that knowing it is obviously non factual and still try to pass it off as if it were a fact? He must be really dense or thinks Nigerian Atheists group members are kindergarten kids!